In real life, German cats had a more advanced system/concept known as regenerative steering, this is vastly more energy efficient and especially useful for these heavy late wartanks, and other tanks after the war. FRENCH ATGMS ARE NON-EXISTENT. If you spot him first and don't manage to kill him with the first spot you are dead even if he can't pen you from the front. I'd love to hear an in depth explanation of why you think that. I haven't had a single game with Germany either on the same or enemy team without there being a single puma. Their is a perfect blend of fast paced numbers (Warcurse, Escalation) and slower, more groove-oriented thrash in the vein of Pantera's Cowboys From Hell, in particular Destroy What Destroys You. - Only usableTiger I is the 5.3 Tiger I. Centurions have a 2-plane stabilizer that for some reason acts like it's from 2020, which lets you use hard cover or play behind a hill, only popping your turret out briefly to take easy shots. This puts Germany in a lose/lose position when choosing their plane to call in. If you shoot the side of the turret its about 175mm thick but if you shoot the hull its about 77mm thick. I'll have to talk about CAS soon I suppose. While light vehicles can rush about in cities, they're balanced in the cities by the same hard cover they benefit from. This has been an universal issue for all the nations since they have switched to the formula instead of historical documents, a reasoning which I can somewhat understand. Frontally there are no easy weakspots. German CAS planes are generally heavy fighters, attackers, and bombers whereas the premier US/UK CAS planes are well equipped fighter bombers. Uptier your Panthers that can't even penetrate the side of the T__ turret? He travelled over doctor oz supplement ed Greece and Arabia, and wrote a history of the doctor for gods, in which . There is big IF in virtually every of your arguments. I am obviously not among the greatest pilots out there but I am decent from what I found on thunderskill and I have to say this is plain wrong. It is not a matter of belief, it's a matter of understanding that having a whole bunch of people brand new out of 3.0 in 5.X is a problem. On the contrary, the mixture of traits that German vehicles get is often favorable. While true a slower tank doesn'tneed totravel very far to find a position that overlooks the positions one wouldplan on exploiting so by the time the fast tanks shows up the slow tankis waiting in its position ready to fire as the fast tank usually has to travel across half the map and the slow tank only has to travel a quarter of the map or less to counter. He can easily continue flank and pen King Tigers from the side. A T34 hull down has 200-300mm of frontal protection, 150mm-200mm of side protection, and 200mm of rear protection. It is a medium tank like the Panther II or T-44-100. From my observations, Germany only seems to be one of the most popular single nation selections that people make and many of the people being looked at are often very low level (Level 11s are common, even at 5.X). Falcon is especially broken as it handles like a light tank with 110mm of pen a super rapid fire rate. I wouldn't mind more open maps, though I must admit I still prefer hard cover to range. For instance: in the M18's case, this is manifest in its far greater bounciness. Hard cover will always be superior to armor in WT. Also, let's not forget that Germany has a proper line-up of SPAAs till 8.0, if you discount the gap between 6.7 and 8.0, so 1.3BR gap. What do you expect? Interesting thing about predicting the predictable itshighly accurate. I think it's important to call out that there are a lot of different aspects to mobility. - If its not, he will hide and wait till you cap. An uptier will barely affect the performance of an M18. Click here to jump to that post. Not sure why, maybe it's a new bug or there's a spall shield I'm unaware of, but it's really annoying. Powered by Invision Community. The Tiger IIs' cannons do not bounce like M18s on trampolines, no matter how much people pretend that they do. Germany continues to suffer in War Thunder! The stock ammo misery for every leos and m48 etc. Absolutely you're right on that point, but let's turn the tables here for some perspective. When I play american tanks I always use the .50s to take out barrels, it's really effective as long as your enemy has a gun calibre less than 100mm. Isn't it also truethat many of the people who play the american tree only play the US tree? Ugh. If you liked it, feel free to sub. But in that case the T95 is also a good flanker. I agree though that the lines should be redone, but not only for Germany but for all the nations. Nope you leave them to their own meansor use them as bait if you want to be a jerk about it. They can both all go through the Centurion mantlet with ease. But how often do you see good teamplay in randombattles? Nah, Freeaboos bash on Germany when its day in Murica and Wheraboos say Deutschland suffers when its day in Yurop (although the Wheraboos are mostly on the Forums and not on Reddit so you don't see Wheraboo posts often) . APDS is guaranteed damage, just aim for specific crew one at a time or shoot for modules. The only real difference between the 2 is the people playing them. Theirs only one stabilized apds atgm thrower and its premium. That vehicle is more treating. . I wrote Panther II and T-44-100, which are the medium tanks of BR 6.7-7.0, actual competitors to the Cent 3. Depends on the BR really. So saying it does bad thing in a downtier goes whichever way you draw it. The Panther, by contrast, is reasonably quick for a medium tank, retains decent armor and is vastly better armed. Again as stated before in other threads it is an option it is not viable in most instances as you typically just die. With a few more wins per hundred matches, they'd be at that point. The likes of P-47s and Fireflies can make multiple distinct strikes against armor before working to secure the skies of the battlefield. Maps in air battles are sometimes given to br.s that have no way of properly using them (I hear top jets get tiny maps sometimes) and low speed props get huge maps sometimes (even in jets some of the maps make no sense, why would I fly an Me262 for ten minutes to stress out about my 2 sec window to hit an a.i. This is why nobody takes anyone who believes in tygor syndrom seriously. As for the Bf 110G, it is superb--it's only fault is that it's ranked as a Tier II rather than a Tier III. - He will go around you (most maps allow that) and pop up in you rear. Last thing is that Centurions have a lower top speed than king tigers but have much better acceleration and reactionary mobility, and the ability to fire on the move means they have overall greater effective mobility on the battlefield. These same players will often say that German vehicles lesser mobility means the Germans simply cannot compete with the more nimble Allied vehicles--ignoring Germanys other merits. The tracks make it immune to long 88 and actually work as spaced armor against HEAT. Add the EBR 1954 Version in the Tech tree, add the French Tiger 1 'Bretagne', add the French stabilised gun variant of the AMX-10RC and AMX-30 in the main tech tree . Incorrect in so many levels. But he still requires to go through your turret so mixing it up and not sitting is what's the best option to proceed at those ranges. 1. Allied CAS has way more firepower than Axis one. 3 . While the M18 can reverse much quicker, it also lurches about far more. Well you know what they say, the turtle always wins. T-80U only fixes armor (although weakspots veeerrry preminent), slightly better HP/T (still -10 kph reverse though), and a slightly better reload (6.5s but still slightly slower than other 120mms). Germany has a p-47 just like the allies? Tell me what 6.7 what tanks have penetrating the side of the T series. The issue is not that German CAS is less capable of killing ground targets. And the T30 which has a 30 second reload on a 200mm round penetration is sad to say the least and in my opinion off that its worthy if 6.3 due to that fact but thats a different discussion. Just because there would be more open maps doesn't mean we can't have CQC maps. Just look at the Tiger 1H how many Heavy Tanks at 5.3 can roll up to 45 almost 50Km/h. Germany should rely on armor but more often than not it is countered with vehicles that can lol pen. yes in the real world and on paper, but in a game where you play the same maps over and over again and know all the ways hideouts. I agree that between 8.7 and 9.7 Soviets have overall bad mobility, but i strongly disagree that T80B, T80U and BMP3 have bad mobility. Yes, with an M18 I am also eaily killed from the front due to lack of armor. Rare, but happens from time to time Few wants to go for the objectives (which is more understandable when you consider the caps' terrible earnings) but fewer want to accept the consequences of not going for them. As for the Panthers' turret traverse, except for the D variant, all are quite well suited for engagement at medium to long ranges. I would just shoot breech, then driver/engine, and then if whatever I was shooting was still alive I would just wittle down it's last crew with the excellent reload and lolpen APDS. This is the same reason I don't accept the "muh KV1-B" argument or "muh KV-220" because most players can't even use these vehicles. And i find that the 88 one shots the T series rather easily now through the turret. Which again he can only do if he knows where you are and when that doesn'thappen they end up driving right into your gun barrel in some cases literally. Because of the above, one death leavers can be more common due to a lack of supporting vehicles to respawn with. According to the complaint, Germany suffers terribly under the weight of uptiers. Denying that problem only makes it worse. Thats why it is so extremely annoying when you have to shoot the turret. Nope, reversing back takes forever, turning as well and will expose your sides, running forward to flank doesn't work either. And the T30 which has a 30 second reload on a 200mm round penetration is sad to say the least and in my opinion off that its worthy if 6.3 due to that fact but thats a different discussion. Spitfires can see the issue. And their armor won't save them. Aside from the pre-nerf Horton flying wing, Germany really hasn't had a plane that could both match allied CAS's ability to make multiple strikes against hard targets and simultaneously hold its own in securing the airspace. They are the equivalent to the surge of M22s that the allies occasionally see when some overly loud youtuber decides to make a video about "haha ebic meme tank"causing an influx. That's good to hear, I know I did my part to live up to those stories. Armor. This pretty much says it all, and it describesa fundamental problem with ground RB: the fastesttanks with decent firepowerare the only vehicles in WT that can set up ambushes early game (which helps setting up ambushes mid and late game as well); slower TDs and tanks can't fulfill this role in WT even if they were designed specifically for this purpose and fulfilled it very successfully irl; the brawling maps which drastically cut down the range of engagementscombined with the "early game race" effectively prevents this. They die as soon as literally any heavy pulls up and just the purpose of giving the enemy free RP and SL. More to the point, your initial comment is THE biggest disconnect from reality that I've read in LONG time. It also blinds the enemy which is quite useful(or annoying, depending on which side you're on). Be always aware of this. When I played my 6.0s, uptiers to 6.3 and 6.7 were common but things worked out well. There are many, many more ways in which Germany is claimed to suffer--these are just a few that I chose to address for this first post. As a mainly (90% of battles or more) German player I have to debunk one thing. The merits of ground vehicles rely on the triad--armor, firepower and mobility. Most German fighters can either take a 500kg bomb or a 250kg bomb. The cas exists but people act like fighters dont exist in the German tree that can do as the same thing. pzkpfw ii ausf l luchs 37mm war thunder official forum. But the T34doesn't wreck anymore havok than a Tiger 2 h 10.5 does. Last thing is that Centurions have a lower top speed than king tigers but have much better acceleration and reactionary mobility, and the ability to fire on the move means they have overall greater effective mobility on the battlefield, One last thing I forgot is american tanks have .50s, so good luck aiming for weak spots when your enemy is blinding you and taking out your barrel literally as soon as he spots you. And here comes the issue with uptiers. I don't have too much preference on maps as a matter of range. If it's perfectly fine as a comparison, then why is CQC fighting the rulewhen GJ is designing maps,while we clearly can make it a more interesting battle if every nation can face their strengths and shortcomings on the battlefield. Real German problem here---> East Germany, "Where's our tank? #15. That's your personal preference. Allied tanks have a thinner top armor in general than the German and Soviet tanks, which makes a high pen round not a necessary feature to get kills from the air. The M18's like any vehicle that doesn't get shot. @Loongsheepwell, except that you can just lolpen the entire front with APDS. With things as they are with just a little more zeal in pursuing the objectives, Germany would do just fine. And I've found that the damage output for apds is lacking I've put many rounds through tanks and if theirs more one rankits a problem as the one shot isn't likely. Download Free PDF View PDF. Sidenote: chuckling at all the silly "confused" reactions haters are giving. 7. Yes but this is should be fixed for once and for all. Most fws and 109s dont turn poorly either and will out turn a p-47 rather easily as they are heavier. encyclopedia. do we not have a tank yet? I think a topic you missed is also CAS. He can just wait till you start to cap and go around you. I'd certainly replace the Hs 129B-2/MK 103 if the Bf 110G was a Tier III vehicle. It's just that the slow/tall/heavy tanks are usually on the bad end with the current level design. Same procedure as with Panthers. I am obviously a bit salty though, I've played basically every nation in WT except the USA so maybe I'm a bit biased. Download Free PDF View PDF. A Do335 can do a lot of damage when left alone, but stands utterly no chance of outflying a P-47. Up until only pz 2 is miserable a bit compare to m3 or bt7 etc. I'm talking about the teams steamsad None of this is specific to Germany or the Americans mind you. Slow speed handling of the Panther is also very bad, making it a bad brawler in CQC situations where you most likely would have to turn with the traverse to get on target in that tank. And the Tiger 2s consistently bounce shells they are by no means slouches and have a thicker hull than the T series which will say no to most rounds that fly at it outside of apds which can be angled to avoid for the most part and or heat. All trademarks, logos and brand names are the property of their respective owners. Those T-Heavies are redicoulus. And no I wasn't talking about the swingfire I mean the 7.7 german raketenjagdpanzer 2 literally fires the same missiles as the STRV.81 (which also has a gun) and yet sits a whole BR higher for some reason. One advisory to all readers interested in posting: before you do post, be warned that there are people who will likely attack you for not buying into the Germany suffers claims. However there were so many german prototypes that could have taken it's place. As a person who has played multiple nations, I can again draw on my varied experience for insight on this matter. In that experience, I have found that German vehicles mobility is adequate and generally competitive with these peers--despite all of the derisive talk you hear otherwise. They still exist just can't be unlocked by new players anymore. I've whacked Leopards with my SU-5-1 but didn't have much to do with the vehicles. The allegation is that because the Germans Tigers and Panthers cannot keep pace with the Americans M18s, the Russians T-34-85s and other like vehicles that the Germans simply cannot compete with these vehicles or the teams that use them. In this video, I and a couple of friends play one of the best lineups in the game.#warthunder #germany #friends Which also has bombs as well. The most frustrating thing about these engagements is how random it feels to play against a T__. Alternatively they could bring in an ground attacker with a better CAS loadout, but in turn be utterly outmatched when it comes to fighting for control of the sky. And that is harder than the relatively obvious strategies for Soviet and American vehicles, especially when the allies can grab the objectives AND the flanks and wait until they win by ticket bleed. Side turret of T__ is also twice as thick as king tiger so it's less vulnerable to flanking. Even I--a German player myself--am commonly hounded over this, despite presenting a great deal of strong testimony thats based on many years experienc. In a case of 1535,9 it was established that an individual who suffered particular damage over and above that inflicted upon the general population could maintain a separate action for damages. It depends; the objectives can be just as deadly for lightweights too. He usually has like 5 different options. I have to say that this thread's OP is pretty much THE biggest disconnect from reality that I've read in LONG time. All these three things are in fact WT top tier meta. Germany has access to the P-47 the same way the US has access to the 109 and 190. I just read this post and simply had to react because you draw all the wrong conclusions.And BTW i also played all three major nations. In an one on one battle with one cap point andrough, uneven terrain you will lose against the M18 in your panther 8 out of 10 times. In a 1 on 1 I would just throw a dice and pick one possible option hoping that he will appear there? It takes about 0.5-1s to stop but experienced player can fire earlier - APHE just needs to hit center-mass of a Centurion to kill it. For instance: in the M18's case, this is manifest in its far greater bounciness. However it does not. Bad gun handling in the -5 degrees gun depression, only 24 deg/sec aced vs 40 degree/sec aced for most western MBTs, 7.1s reload, slower than 120mm which is 6.36 or 6 seconds. The problem is that the faster tank has the advantage of initiative. Like bombing out caps or sniper ridges. It's obvious which has the better hull where as its obvious who has the better turret. More like genre savvy actuallyI know the score. This is of course a burden if you're in a CQC situation where the APDS will easily pen your frontal armor. Wouldn't you agree that having a small and fast vehicles helps immensely to flank? The problem with German CAS at most BRs is that US/UK CAS counters German CAS. But yes, if manage to get in a flanking spot undetected you can flank with it. Next is allied CAS which gets thrown out as another massive problem Germany faces, but it really shouldn't be since Germany has objectively the best CAS in the game all the way up to 8.0. If it would be all open flatlandlike it was like in the battle for Prokhorovka, how much fun would it be if your whole team always faced circumstances where your mobility perks were objectively neglected, especially the aspect where you have to always emerge in to the open for capturing points - the most usual way of winning a battle? And yes theoretically the bigger and slower tank could try the same tactic, just that it would take him much longer to react, he would be easiert to spot and aim at, and you would give the enemy more time to shoot at you when you cross open terrain. Pretty immune to 88's. But there almost no such maps in the game. Charlotte Elizabeth, Principalities and powers in heavenly places, 1842. they turn by applying breaks to one track to initiate the turn. Relative merit is in play here. With a particular fixation on the M18, German players often complain about German vehicles and how they lack the mobility of their Allied opponents. This is a major drawback and makes this tank so special. He can get to cap first and setup an ambush. But only at long range. I have said quite the opposite honestly. That is basically telling your enemy "I am here" and to commit assisted suicide. But to argue the tiger 2 has a worse hull than the T series is a joke. The m41 is a welcomed addition. Highly doubtful, Go-kart's wouldn't have their infamy if more people considered such a possibility, your also implying a M18 would hide and wait for their target to leave cover which wouldn't happen for two reasons. Those three qualities are what control the tank's ability. Doesn't fit good mobility meta. Everything about the HRE, NGC, GE, WR, GR, SP, FRG and GDR. I'm a regular war thunder player if you want to contact me= discord= TelDu3998we also have our own discord server https://dis. Yes, but just pointing out that "Japanese bias" has been used before. Which he can only do if he knows where you are, you can't flank what you can't see now can you. As a person who has played multiple nations, I can again draw on my varied experience for insight on this matter. AMX-13 10k REPAIR SILVER? It would actually give Germany some nice, War Thunder map friendly brawling options, like T-34's, IS-2's, T-54's, as well as some lower BR MBT's with decent armour, like T-55's, T-72's etc. Interesting, unless you are talking about the driving comfort of the crew I thought we had a couple of long discussions on here where you said main gun bounciness compared to stabilized tanks like the Sherman series are negligible. Has 3 crew and carousel, so it doesn't fit survivability meta and it's armor can be penned by 9.0 premiums. Sell, buy or trade War Thunder Items and Services here. But Germany has little to complain about compared to the French. Panther speedcross country on flat terrain is42km/h. Originally posted by kamikazi21358: Originally posted by theGoddes: brits are nerfed into the ground. And no matter what is the br setting whatever times you get a new vehicle even at 8.7 you have to start the whole thing again. The personal well being of the person who capped it means little to the team if they have succeeded--that part of their reason for being is fulfilled by then. This is why nobody takes anyone who believes in tygor syndrom seriously. You don't exactly want to pull a pivot turn when in city combat, with it's horrible side armor. And the stock ammo of the german M48A2C is the same as the US/Chinese M48A1, but somehow the US/Chinese M48A1 is at a higher BR. Every time I play 5.7, I see a lot of Tiger I. while proclaiming yourself in some sort of 'neutral good' position. Mobility - and this is actually the main point. When you do see them, they won't make up 100% of the team composition and they won't even make up 100% of the UK composition since there is a chance for there to be Charioteers and Cent Mk 1s to be thrown into the mix. Like I said earlier I think it's important to take a step back and realize what we are talking about here isn't just a drag race but definitely more complicated than so. Isn't it a bit dishonest to completely "forget" to bring out the more negative aspects of the panther? Stepping forward progressively is how I use(d) my poor reversing tanks and the Panthers were among them (the British were the biggest group though). The problem here is that Japan doesn't have a lot of players and thus meeting japanese aircraft is pretty rare in RB. As far as I know, nothing about that have been mentioned since it was "being worked on" back in 2017. Or this amazing times when you play the tractor simulator trying to get you slow vehicle to this surprising spot which takes you forever, and hoping that noone shoots or bombs you on the way there. As a seasoned German player, I can tell you their firepower is at least as valuable as the Allies' speed. Are king tigers unplayable? The turret is ok, not the best, but gives the 76mm and 85mm some trouble. - During all that time you will be sitting in your spot hoping that the enemy pops up exactly where you predict it knowing that he could also pop up behind you. #warthunder #warthundermemes #warthunderfunny #warthunderclipsTwitch: Twitch.t. All in all, these things boil down to the sort of trade offs that are to be expected. To believe that mobility is the only thing matters is to ignore almost everything that matters in a match. An Panther however loses his main advantage of better armor. In general, German win rates are in the 40s even at their lowest and this means that they're near the balancing point (the 45-55% range, being within +/-5 of 50%). I tested you 50 cal theory and it can be done but it takes so many rounds and reloads its not an arguing point at all. If you check old war images of M4 tanks, you will see that not all of them had turret mounted .50cals. What makes teams such an acute problem? 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